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Bayern / Franken Wappen - von Wich.

Beitrag von von Wich Glassen » 17.04.2011, 23:30

My german is not so well. I think that this message in english is not a problem for this forum rules.

My surname is Wich. My family is from Unterrodach / Franken. I found this wappen: http://www.google.pl/imgres?imgurl=http ... 9,r:13,s:0

But my grandpa says that he remembers the wappen with: the ram with a broken horn. I cant find anything like this. Could you help me?

What means that "Von Wich gennant von der Reuth" - did they use 2 surnames? Could you help me to find any information about Wich family wappen? I was told that the full surname of my grandgrandpa was Wich von Glassen, but his father had been using Wich von Glassenhaness.

Thank you in advance,

Best Regards,

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Beitrag von Isenberger Herold » 18.04.2011, 10:38

Until the 19. century it happened that some families in Germany had 2 "surnames". One of them was official (in your case Wich) and the other a more unofficial one, used by neighbours, buddies, and so on. The reasen for this was to differenciate between different lines of families, if others lived near by.
So usually it was talked about those (Wich or whosoever) from "here and there" in distinction from the Wich from "the next village". This "here and there" became a kind of second surname.
Sometimes it was officialised later on, sometimes not.
Sometimes the blazons also changed with these.
So I am affraid, that you better have to search for all names you find...
:(
(Hence Franken is not my region.)

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Beitrag von von Wich Glassen » 18.04.2011, 10:58

Thank you for this answer. I thought that two surnames were used to difference two lines of a one family. About 5 km from Unterrodach there is a village called Reuth - in Bamberg's stadtarchive I found that Wich family had a part of this region in a fief from Redwitzs.

Anyway, I could not find any wappen from this region with a ram with a broken horn. Could you tell me, if I have a wappen von Wich - could it be a wappen "name" or it is always a surname of the family which has been using it?

I found von Wich Wappen in Konrad/Tyroff Wappenbuch, but there is nothing about it in Siebmacher. Where should I search for more information about this region wappens?

And my third question, what is this "Glassen" near the surname? My grandpa had Wich von Glassen, his father Wich von Glassenhaness - what a mess!

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Beitrag von zobelrolf » 22.04.2011, 13:13

Dear Wich-Glassen,
So its not really good news, at least its information. In the region of Marktrodach, Bavaia-Franconia, the name Wich-Glasen or Glassen is rather frequent. There is also an explanation for the name. Wich means small or younger, and Glas stands for the Saint Nicolas. So Wich-Glasen is only one name and should be written Wichglasen. You find all tat in the internet under wich-glasen. If there are other families which also have a wich in their names, its just for making a difference.
Maybe this is frustrating you, but if you contact Marktrodach, there is perhaps better news available.
Good luck and good news.

von Wich Glassen

Beitrag von von Wich Glassen » 22.04.2011, 14:10

Thank you,

of course I found many Wichs nearby Marktrodach. I guess it's all one family. I got some info from archives where stands that a part of Unterrodach had been given by von Redwitz to von Wich in Lehnswesen. The part of them used to live a few km away - and maybe that's why there are also von der Reuth as a part of one family.

What do you mean by "Glas stands for the Saint Nicolas"? Is a Glas a local name for Saint Nicolas?

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Beitrag von zobelrolf » 22.04.2011, 16:15

hallo over there,
I mean, that Wich is not a family name, because it means small or young. The familys name is Glas or Glasen, the nick-name for Nicolas. Family names are also Reuth or Redwitz. So Glassenhannes simply means Johann Glassen or Glassen Johannes, because the first name is often just added to the family name in Germany.
I advise you, to further contact Marktrodach for more information.
Good luck and many easter-greetings

von Wich Glassen

Beitrag von von Wich Glassen » 27.04.2011, 11:45

Thank you,

but I still do not understand at all. My grandpa is Johann Wich, his father Wilhelm Wich-Glassen, his grandpa again Johann Wich von Glassenhannes - the Wich is always - like surname (family name), the Glasen / Glassenhannes is added.

What's more there is a wappen "von Wich". You mean that this is not a wappenof Wich family?

Danke schon,

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Re: Bayern / Franken Wappen - von Wich.

Beitrag von Gerhard Wich-Heiter » 18.07.2018, 16:35

Hallo Herr oder Frau Wich-Glasen,
da meine Kenntnisse in englischer Sprache nicht mehr so gut sind, schreibe ich in deutsch.
Der Name Wich ist in Unterrodach und in der näheren Umgebung sehr häufig, deshalb wurden zur Unterscheidung sogenannten Übernahmen an den Familiennamen Wich angefügt und auch amtlich verwendet wie z.B. -Glasen, -Heiter, -Beck und viele andere. Mit der Einführung des Personenstandsgesetzes am Ende des 19. Jahrhunderts wurden die Übernamen in die amtlichen Register übernommen und somit Teil des Familiennamens, sozusagen erweiterte Familiennamen.
Glasenhans bedeutet nichts anderes als Sohn des Hans Glas. Glas ist wiederum eine alte Kurzform für Klaus.

Stammvater der Wich-Glasen ist Claus Wich, geboren am 22. April 1632. Dessen Sohn ist Hans Wich Claaßenhanß, geboren am 8. März 1661, verehelicht am 25. August 1705. Noch 1804 wird wird der Name "Wich-Glasenhannes" geschrieben und erst später zur heutigen Form verkürzt. (Aus: Historia Franconiae. Familiennamen im Landkreis Kronach. Karl Loy. 1965).

Etwas ganz anderes ist das Wappen. Es wurde laut Auszug aus der Adelsmatrikel des Königreichs (Bayern) am 19. Juni 1823 verliehen. "Der königliche Legations-Sekretär bei der Gesandschaft am königlich württembergischen Hof Johann Friedrich Ludwig von Wich, genannt von der Reuth, sammt Abkommen bei der Adels-Klasse Lit.W.fol.58 act.N. 4093."

Das Wappen findet sich im Internet bei "von Wich, genannt von der Reuth".

Viel Freude mit meiner Mitteilung.

Gerhard Wich-Heiter

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