Ritter Hermann

[vonSyra]

Dear All,
here is a coat of arms:
http://hu.wikibooks.org/wiki/C%C3%ADmer ... %C3%ADmere

It was used by the Hungarian descendants of Hermann, a ritter.
He came to Hungary between 996 and 1150 with settlers and founded Hermannstadt in Transylvania.We din't know his familyname or ancestors. If you have ever met with this coat-of-arms,please write!
Thanks!

Adam
Hungary

[Friedhard Pfeiffer]

Coat of arms of family Herman is published in Siebmacher, volume Ungarn/Ergänzungen, page 64, board 41 [too volume Siebenbürgen, page 168, board 106]. The family appearence beginning of the 14. century in the area of Hunyad ans Arad.
Yours sincerely
Friedhard Pfeiffer

[vonSyra]

Coat of arms of family Herman is published in Siebmacher, volume Ungarn/Ergänzungen, page 64, board 41 [too volume Siebenbürgen, page 168, board 106]. The family appearence beginning of the 14. century in the area of Hunyad ans Arad.
Yours sincerely
Friedhard Pfeiffer

Thanks,but I knew it. I am interrested in that you have ever met with this coat-of-arms in Germany? /Ritter or Graf Hermann came from Germany and maybe he brought this coat-of-arms to Hungary/

[Frank Martinoff]

http://books.google.com/books?id=pq4AAA ... en&f=false

Please also reference
the city of

Wurmannsquick
Klagenfurt Kaernten
Castle Ortenburg
Ljubljana
.........
and a possiblity off the beaten path...
the castle of
Grossfurra

Just keep in mind that in approx. a 1000 years
there is a lot of room for mistakes !

Best wishes,
Frank

[vonSyra]

http://books.google.com/books?id=pq4AAA ... en&f=false

Please also reference
the city of

Wurmannsquick
Klagenfurt Kaernten
Castle Ortenburg
Ljubljana
.........
and a possiblity off the beaten path...
the castle of
Grossfurra

Just keep in mind that in approx. a 1000 years
there is a lot of room for mistakes !

Best wishes,
Frank

Thanks.

[vonSyra]

I think ritter Hermann could not be a Sponheim , If he was a member of this family (from (after) 996 or from the 12th century) there would be information about him on the S. tree. However, Hermann could come with princess Gisela in 996 from Bavaria. /and they liked the name,Hermann/

Vor Wurmb family is "better". They were not aristocrats in those times and their coat-of-arms is same. However, they live(d) so far.

[Padberg Evenboer]

He came to Hungary between 996 and 1150 ....

Hello Adam,

During this time arms - if there were any - were not inhereted. Around 1150 the first are recorded, mostly on seals, and only worn by high nobility, like kings, dukes and counts.

And, as already noted by Friedhard Pfeiffer, the family first appeared at the beginning of the 14th century.

Kind regards,
Klaas

[vonSyra]

He came to Hungary between 996 and 1150 ....

Hello Adam,

During this time arms - if there were any - were not inhereted. Around 1150 the first are recorded, mostly on seals, and only worn by high nobility, like kings, dukes and counts.

And, as already noted by Friedhard Pfeiffer, the family first appeared at the beginning of the 14th century.

Kind regards,
Klaas

Dear Klaas,
thats false. The family (genus) appeared in the beggining of 13th century, but they become Bannerherren in early 14th century. Hermann's descendants had about 15-18 branches! (only 2-3 was long lived).
A chronicle from the 14th century said that Hermann (from Nürnberg) came with Gisela, princess of Bavaria to Hungary in ~996.
If I know well, the first document about Nürnberg is from 1050.
Hermann got lands in west Hungary,then he or his descendants got more in Transylvania and East-Hungary.

There were an other(?) ritter Hermann who founded Hermannstadt (Szeben,Sibiu). Historians said it was about 1150 and they are not same.

The text from the chronicle about the genus Hermann (Hermann's family).
http://imagerz.com/QENHXktvAwICVFweFAVR

[Frank Martinoff]

Vieleicht hilft dieses..
Maybe this will help
Only one "Hermann v. Nürnberg" Gast-Guest??? listed as a cross reference
to a different part of the book!
bottom of page 193

Grundriss der oesterreichischen Geschichte: mit besonderer Rücksicht auf...

http://books.google.com/books?id=CXu0AA ... rg&f=false

.....ansonsten wimmelt es nur so von Hermanns!

[Rider]

Knight Hermann is only one legend figure. Also famously as a "Knight Hermann von Nürnberg".

[vonSyra]

Knight Hermann is only one legend figure. Also famously as a "Knight Hermann von Nürnberg".

He lived, because he had descendants.

[vonSyra]

Vieleicht hilft dieses..
Maybe this will help
Only one "Hermann v. Nürnberg" Gast-Guest??? listed as a cross reference
to a different part of the book!
bottom of page 193

Grundriss der oesterreichischen Geschichte: mit besonderer Rücksicht auf...

http://books.google.com/books?id=CXu0AA ... rg&f=false

.....ansonsten wimmelt es nur so von Hermanns!

Thanks, but I can't read it from Hungary. /Google books or Hungary ban books/

[Frank Martinoff]

Auf Seite 189

wird von Dienstmannen und Gaesten gesprochen
die Stephan dem I im Widerstand (Aufruhr von 997-999) gegen die Einstaemmigen oder Heiden
geholfen hatten......

UnterGaeste
werden folgende Namen auf Seite 193 unter Anmerkungen (#27)
augefuehrt

27) vergleich den Anhang bei Reza ueber die "Gaeste"
Insbesonder werden
Tibold v. Pfannberg (Fannberg), "qui Graun Tibold (Graf Tibold)"
est vocatus, Hunt und Paznan aus Schwaben, Wenczellin von Wassunburg,
welche drei letztgenannten in dem Kampfe Stephans mit der Empoerung
eine Hauptrolle spielen, Buzard von Meissen,
Hermann v. Nuernberg,
Wolfgang und Hedrik von Henneberg und U. genannt,
ueberdies auch 3(drei) boehmische Ritter Radwan, Bogat und Ladan angefuehrt.---- Ueber die Empoerung vergleich die Legende minor
(cap. 5), major sti. Stephani (cap. 6), Reza II c. 2, Thur. II. 13,
28 und vor Allen
die Urkunde Stephans I. fuer Martinsberg(Pannonhegy) v. 1001
(Fejer CD. I. 280-4).............usw.

[Frank Martinoff]

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Petrus de Nurnberga Predict
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1695 wurden die Fuersten v. Hohenzollern Burggrafen v. Nuernberg
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Schild
In weiss ein roter Greif mit Drachenschwanz g. H.

v. Sigisberg
Greif; H wachsender Greif

v. Oltingen
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Stuertzel
in r. ein g. bew. w. Greif, H; wachsender Geif, Hd; r. w.

als auch
Greifenstein
in w. ein g. bew. # Greif
h; Hals des Greifen
Hd. # weiss

als auch
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U.S.W.

DA KANN MAN NUR NOCH VIEL GLUECK WUENSCHEN

[Frank Martinoff]

http://imagerz.com/QENHXktvAwICVFweFAVR

Schild weiss ???